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[FishFan88]

interesting read..
http://www.miamihera...mi-marlins.html

[EricWiener]

Did the Marlins bounce a check to him? If not, he should enjoy his millions and STFU

[canada-marlin24]

Did the Marlins bounce a check to him? If not, he should enjoy his millions and STFU

Not really. When you are made promises like that its pretty disappointing when they are not kept. And he's going to have a lot more taxes to pay but regardless of that, he bought a house and all and then 1 year later he's gone.

[Erick]

No, honestly, he should stop whining. If he truly wanted stability, he would've signed with some team willing to give him a NTC. If any team was even dumb enough to offer him that at the time...

[EricWiener]

$30,000 a day.

[Entendu101]

No, honestly, he should stop whining. If he truly wanted stability, he would've signed with some team willing to give him a NTC. If any team was even dumb enough to offer him that at the time...

When you promise something to someone, most respectable human beings would maintain an effort to keep the promise.

[el penguino]

WAAAAAH!

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[Erick]

No, honestly, he should stop whining. If he truly wanted stability, he would've signed with some team willing to give him a NTC. If any team was even dumb enough to offer him that at the time...

When you promise something to someone, most respectable human beings would maintain an effort to keep the promise.

There's no way of proving that the Marlins even promised that. But I understand criticizing the front office is the popular thing to do these days.

[Boca Man]

I now see why loria treat the fans the way he do, because some here jump on anyone that say something about the fo.

[Entendu101]

No, honestly, he should stop whining. If he truly wanted stability, he would've signed with some team willing to give him a NTC. If any team was even dumb enough to offer him that at the time...

When you promise something to someone, most respectable human beings would maintain an effort to keep the promise.

There's no way of proving that the Marlins even promised that. But I understand criticizing the front office is the popular thing to do these days.

Why would he lie about this? And 'sources' have confirmed it, if you choose to believe that or not. But I understand that being a contrarian dick is the popular thing to do on these forums these days.

[BenderRobot]

Buehrle does have a reputation as a very honest person, so if he says that someone in the Marlins FO verbally "promised" him he wouldn't be traded, it may very well be true. However ... unless we hear a recorded conversation between them or a stenographer happened to be in the negotiations, we can't confirm this. I wouldn't put it past Samson or Loria to do that, though, in order to get what they wanted in Buehrle signing.

[Erick]

No, honestly, he should stop whining. If he truly wanted stability, he would've signed with some team willing to give him a NTC. If any team was even dumb enough to offer him that at the time...

When you promise something to someone, most respectable human beings would maintain an effort to keep the promise.

There's no way of proving that the Marlins even promised that. But I understand criticizing the front office is the popular thing to do these days.

Why would he lie about this? And 'sources' have confirmed it, if you choose to believe that or not. But I understand that being a contrarian dick is the popular thing to do on these forums these days.

Lol what did the sources confirm?

So if I decide to wake up one morning and say that you're a douchebag, that proves you're a douchebag?

Larry Beinfest issued a statement, himself, about this not being true. Is that proof, too? Because if Mark Buehrle's word qualifies as proof, another man's word probably should qualify as truth too, no?

Or maybe you're just being a bit biased right now.

Not to mention that the whole thing is irrelevant. If Buehrle really cared about stability over money, he would've seeked a NTC in the contract. That's the way things usually work in business negotiations. Pretty stupid of him.

[Erick]

Buehrle does have a reputation as a very honest person, so if he says that someone in the Marlins FO verbally "promised" him he wouldn't be traded, it may very well be true. However ... unless we hear a recorded conversation between them or a stenographer happened to be in the negotiations, we can't confirm this. I wouldn't put it past Samson or Loria to do that, though, in order to get what they wanted in Buehrle signing.

Exactly. It can't be confirmed.

[Piazza31]

Lol what did the sources confirm?

So if I decide to wake up one morning and say that you're a douchebag, that proves you're a douchebag?

I'll be your source.

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I can imagine the conversation -

B: Why won't you give me a NTC? You're not going to trade me, are you?

FO: We don't give anyone a NTC, but why would we trade you? We got a brand new stadium. We brought in Ozzie for 4 years. We brought in Reyes and Bell for many years. We've got Hanley and Stanton and JJ and Anibal and Z and now you. We've got a solid bench and bullpen. We want to win. This is a team that can win, and win this year.

Buehrle interprets comments along those (or similar) lines as being some sort of "guarantee" that he wouldn't be traded. Pure supposition on his part.

Notice that he's just running his mouth and hasn't and won't sue because he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. The parol evidence rule isn't just a rule here, it's substantive, settled Florida law. Doesn't matter what anyone told him or his agent, the written contract will be upheld.

He and his agent knew perfectly well that he could be traded at any time. If it was such a big deal he should have signed elsewhere.

The whining and sour grapes reminds of something Bell would do. At least Bell had the good sense to keep his big mouth shut.

[MiRi]

Buehrle does have a reputation as a very honest person, so if he says that someone in the Marlins FO verbally "promised" him he wouldn't be traded, it may very well be true. However ... unless we hear a recorded conversation between them or a stenographer happened to be in the negotiations, we can't confirm this. I wouldn't put it past Samson or Loria to do that, though, in order to get what they wanted in Buehrle signing.

Yea, he doesn't seem like the type to talk crap for the heck of it. I don't blame him for being upset.

[Entendu101]

Lol what did the sources confirm?

"Still, sources said Buehrle was assured by owner Jeffrey Loria that, despite the absence of a no-trade clause, he need not worry. The team had no intention of trading him."

It's in the article that was posted.

Larry Beinfest issued a statement, himself, about this not being true. Is that proof, too? Because if Mark Buehrle's word qualifies as proof, another man's word probably should qualify as truth too, no?

No he didn't. Read what was said:

According to The Sun-Sentinel, Marlins President Larry Beinfest told reporters on Monday that he had not personally promised any players that they wouldn't be traded, and isn't sure why both Buehrle and Reyes seem to think their was a verbal promise in place.

So no, it's not Beinfest's word against Buehrle's. Buehrle made a claim. Beinfest didn't argue it, but rather clarified that it was not he who said it. Look for Beinfest's direct quote if you want.

And what about Reyes? Have we uncovered a conspiracy between traded Marlins to soil the good name of our front office? Is Bonifacio the next to come out and lie about being promised something? Get real lol.

[el penguino]

My guess is that the Marlins conveyed to Buehrle that it was highly unlikely that he would get traded. It wouldn't surprise me if they went that far even if they didn't promise an unofficial no-trade clause.

The Marlins FO was probably completely blindsided by the disastrous 2012 season and didn't envision that level of failure taking place. So they probably weren't really "lying" when they told Buehrle that he likely wouldn't be traded. They were just overly confident that their master plan would work.

[Erick]

Lol what did the sources confirm?

"Still, sources said Buehrle was assured by owner Jeffrey Loria that, despite the absence of a no-trade clause, he need not worry. The team had no intention of trading him."

It's in the article that was posted.

Larry Beinfest issued a statement, himself, about this not being true. Is that proof, too? Because if Mark Buehrle's word qualifies as proof, another man's word probably should qualify as truth too, no?

No he didn't. Read what was said:

According to The Sun-Sentinel, Marlins President Larry Beinfest told reporters on Monday that he had not personally promised any players that they wouldn't be traded, and isn't sure why both Buehrle and Reyes seem to think their was a verbal promise in place.

So no, it's not Beinfest's word against Buehrle's. Buehrle made a claim. Beinfest didn't argue it, but rather clarified that it was not he who said it. Look for Beinfest's direct quote if you want.

And what about Reyes? Have we uncovered a conspiracy between traded Marlins to soil the good name of our front office? Is Bonifacio the next to come out and lie about being promised something? Get real lol.

I still see nothing confirmed. The sources are anonymous sources lol.

Is it possible that perhaps these players took what was said out of context? Again, it seems like you're only looking at things from the players' perspective.

In a business deal, the promise is usually in a contract. Sorry but the idea of verbal agreements is childish. You can't, or rather shouldn't, sign a contract that provides no stability when you supposedly seek stability. You can call it a lie if you'd like (although there's still really no way to prove it other than believing a player's word); I'd rather call it stupidity. Buehrle now whining about it is laughable.

The article in the OP has Samson saying "he was never lied to." That's basically the equivalent of Buehrle saying "I was lied to." It's childish; move on to Toronto with the money you don't deserve and deal with it.
It's possible that the players are upset because moving to Toronto means they're actually losing money in the process. Instead of being upset at ownership, Buehrle should consider firing his agent.

[el penguino]

Who really gives a sh*t if it's confirmed or not?

[Erick]

I don't know; I don't. Better question: Who really gives a sh*t if there was a verbal agreement or not? The whole thing is irrelevant.

[Entendu101]

I don't know; I don't. Better question: Who really gives a sh*t if there was a verbal agreement or not? The whole thing is irrelevant.

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Had it been Buehrle alone, you'd have a point - but when two (by general standards, good all-around) players say the same thing, then it becomes a bit harder to deny. That, and the structure of these contracts should raise enough suspicion for you to not ridicule it.

But if you're just saying that because Buehrle didn't get it in writing, he should stop whining, then we aren't going to agree. I think that it's a sh*tty thing to do if it was indeed premeditated - and even if it wasn't, they should come out and apologize.

[Erick]

I don't know; I don't. Better question: Who really gives a sh*t if there was a verbal agreement or not? The whole thing is irrelevant.

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Had it been Buehrle alone, you'd have a point - but when two (by general standards, good all-around) players say the same thing, then it becomes a bit harder to deny. That, and the structure of these contracts should raise enough suspicion for you to not ridicule it.

But if you're just saying that because Buehrle didn't get it in writing, he should stop whining, then we aren't going to agree. I think that it's a sh*tty thing to do if it was indeed premeditated - and even if it wasn't, they should come out and apologize.

Wouldn't the structure of the contracts make you believe the Marlins in this scenario?
The structure of the contracts did not include a no-trade clause.

A person's word is not necessarily truth. Buehrle and Reyes could have misinterpreted what was said. Nobody knows what was said. The only thing that's known is that the players did not receive no-trade clauses. They're now whining about something they had control over at the time they signed their contracts. If they didn't like it then, they should've done what Albert Pujols did. Simple.

[Piazza31]

I don't know; I don't. Better question: Who really gives a sh*t if there was a verbal agreement or not? The whole thing is irrelevant.

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Had it been Buehrle alone, you'd have a point - but when two (by general standards, good all-around) players say the same thing, then it becomes a bit harder to deny. That, and the structure of these contracts should raise enough suspicion for you to not ridicule it.

But if you're just saying that because Buehrle didn't get it in writing, he should stop whining, then we aren't going to agree. I think that it's a sh*tty thing to do if it was indeed premeditated - and even if it wasn't, they should come out and apologize.

Remember, Reyes also said the Mets didn't offer him a contract when it was proven they did. His credibility when he is hurt is shot.

The most damning is JJ saying stanton may be gone next year. He never said anything bad- I take his word over Buerhle's and Reyes.

Heath Bell is a shining example as to why not give a NTC. Buerhle and Reyes are the ones to prove you should get it.

I like partial NTC in baseball, but full sometimes scare me. Imagine if Bell didn't want to leave.

Let the player pick 10 teams he'll go to, and work it out.

[mystikol87]

Lol what did the sources confirm?

"Still, sources said Buehrle was assured by owner Jeffrey Loria that, despite the absence of a no-trade clause, he need not worry. The team had no intention of trading him."

It's in the article that was posted.

"[N]o intention of trading him" =/= a promise that they wouldn't trade him.