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[Erick]

The Angels are nearing a deal with Josh Hamilton. 

 

a) With Justin Upton becoming unavailable/Josh Hamilton signing elsewhere, Texas might give up a whole lot for Stanton if the Marlins decide to discuss such a deal...

 

b) With the Angels signing Hamilton, guys like Bourjos/Trumbo/Morales might be available (hopefully Bourjos). 

 

 

[pollyvonwog]

I'm thinking we could trade Nolasco for Trumbo. 

[Erick]

I think they'd actually be interested in Nolasco considering the contract they gave Joe Blanton this offseason. 

[pollyvonwog]

I think they'd actually be interested in Nolasco considering the contract they gave Joe Blanton this offseason. 

 

 

Well that would ruin the running gag! 

[el penguino]

I think they'd actually be interested in Nolasco considering the contract they gave Joe Blanton this offseason. 

So you are saying that the Angels FO doesn't have high school diplomas.

[Piazza31]

 

I think they'd actually be interested in Nolasco considering the contract they gave Joe Blanton this offseason. 

So you are saying that the Angels FO doesn't have high school diplomas.

 

Where did this high school diploma s*** come from?

[Jokersgoon]

I think the Angels flip Bourjus or Trumbo for Dickey. I'm still on the fence about trading Stanton to Texas.. Hmm

[Erick]

I think the Angels flip Bourjus or Trumbo for Dickey. I'm still on the fence about trading Stanton to Texas.. Hmm

 

Yeah, that's probably what's going to happen now. 

[enterthemadness]

Trade Stanton and this team never has a long term star EVER again. New owners or not.

 

Sadly, no way in hell Stanton signs long term here...great job, f*** head Loria. Suuuuuure, I guess a 1% chance Loria would say ''8 year, NTC for 7 years, 130 Million deal' but c'mon...

[CanesCop86]

At this point I say f*** it. You have already ruined any good will you had built up and made this place more of a joke to free agents. Make a trade with Texas to get profar and olt atleast and you fill many holes in your lineup.

This really is a no win situation thanks to how screwed up our management team is.

[Erick]

A good front office decides this offseason what they want to do with their franchise player. 

At this point, Stanton probably shouldn't be on our roster in '13 unless he's already been extended this offseason. 

[CanesCop86]

A good front office decides this offseason what they want to do with their franchise player.
At this point, Stanton probably shouldn't be on our roster in '13 unless he's already been extended this offseason.

Ha yeah we're f***ed.

[Erick]

I recently wrote this on the fangraphs article about who the Angels should trade, but I'll say it here too.

The Marlins are spending no money/likely won't be in position to spend next year either.

Considering the talent on the roster sucks, adding a guy like Bourjos (a real CF'er) would be cool. Nolasco for Bourjos straight up probably doesn't get it done. 

Thus, I think we should take on Vernon Wells contract as though we'd be taking on an expiring contract in the NBA. 
Difference between Nolasco/Wells contracts in '13 is 10 million. 
Wells, I believe, is under contract in '14, but who cares? We'll probably suck then, too.

After '14, he leaves when we're probably ready to compete again. 
Most importantly, it gives us leverage to add a talented CF'er in Bourjos. Nolasco leaves, opening up an opportunity for a younger pitcher. 

If free agents are reluctant to sign, we need to trade for talent. Taking on Wells contract should be no problem here considering how cheap the rest of the team is going to be. 
Especially if they don't extend Stanton, the team becomes even cheaper/cost-controlled. 
Take on a bad contract from some team and get some better talent without having to give much in return.

[SilverBullet1929]

 

I recently wrote this on the fangraphs article about who the Angels should trade, but I'll say it here too.

The Marlins are spending no money/likely won't be in position to spend next year either.

Considering the talent on the roster sucks, adding a guy like Bourjos (a real CF'er) would be cool. Nolasco for Bourjos straight up probably doesn't get it done. 

Thus, I think we should take on Vernon Wells contract as though we'd be taking on an expiring contract in the NBA. 
Difference between Nolasco/Wells contracts in '13 is 10 million. 
Wells, I believe, is under contract in '14, but who cares? We'll probably suck then, too.

After '14, he leaves when we're probably ready to compete again. 
Most importantly, it gives us leverage to add a talented CF'er in Bourjos. Nolasco leaves, opening up an opportunity for a younger pitcher. 

If free agents are reluctant to sign, we need to trade for talent. Taking on Wells contract should be no problem here considering how cheap the rest of the team is going to be. 
Especially if they don't extend Stanton, the team becomes even cheaper/cost-controlled. 
Take on a bad contract from some team and get some better talent without having to give much in return.

 

 

Good Lord, that makes so much sense that it hurts.

[Entendu101]

I would do it. Maybe something like Stanton + Nolasco + money for Nolasco's salary for Olt + Profar + a good pitching prospect. Then go after Bourjos. The team's future would look much brighter after a trade like that. 

[gizmo]

I'm still holding on to the hope that we can extend and keep Stanton. We can't have another Cabrera situation happen again.

[CanesCop86]

I'm still holding on to the hope that we can extend and keep Stanton. We can't have another Cabrera situation happen again.

I think that situation is going to happen anyway Down the Line

[Erick]

Another Miguel Cabrera situation would be letting him go for nothing. 

That was the problem with the Miguel Cabrera trade. Not that they let him go (that was just part one), but that the return amounted to nothing. Hopefully they keep him, but most importantly is to not let him go for nothing. 

[el penguino]

 

I recently wrote this on the fangraphs article about who the Angels should trade, but I'll say it here too.

The Marlins are spending no money/likely won't be in position to spend next year either.

Considering the talent on the roster sucks, adding a guy like Bourjos (a real CF'er) would be cool. Nolasco for Bourjos straight up probably doesn't get it done. 

Thus, I think we should take on Vernon Wells contract as though we'd be taking on an expiring contract in the NBA. 
Difference between Nolasco/Wells contracts in '13 is 10 million. 
Wells, I believe, is under contract in '14, but who cares? We'll probably suck then, too.

After '14, he leaves when we're probably ready to compete again. 
Most importantly, it gives us leverage to add a talented CF'er in Bourjos. Nolasco leaves, opening up an opportunity for a younger pitcher. 

If free agents are reluctant to sign, we need to trade for talent. Taking on Wells contract should be no problem here considering how cheap the rest of the team is going to be. 
Especially if they don't extend Stanton, the team becomes even cheaper/cost-controlled. 
Take on a bad contract from some team and get some better talent without having to give much in return.

 

 

I'm sorry, but this is incredibly dumb in my opinion.  Like one of the worst ideas I've ever heard dumb.

 

Why would the Marlins want to take on all of that salary when they aren't going to be competing?  I mean, what's the point of paying for Vernon Wells far above his market value when they just got rid of a bunch of contracts?

 

And you think that taking on Vernon Wells' contract would be worth it just so they can get Bourjos?  Let's not kid ourselves.  Bourjos has some potential and I'd like to have him but while the glove is there, the bat isn't.  That's not even close to being worth taking on that much payroll.

[dim]

Stanton is a generational player. No smart team lets a player like that go.

 

However, the Marlins put themselves into a really tricky position. That Blue Jays trade may have upset Stanton enough that he may not even want to consider re-signing here regardless of the money we offer because he feels betrayed by the front office. If that's the case, we have no choice but to trade him at some point in the future.

 

However, if there's even the slightest chance that Stanton would consider an extension, there's no way you can trade him.

 

This wouldn't be an issue though if the Marlins actually did the right thing and gave Stanton that extension that should've been done right after his first few months in the majors (or at the very least at the end of his first or second full seasons). The Marlins front office screwed themselves over, and it's pretty annoying that they've been doing that quite often the last few years.

[dim]

If we do for some reason trade Stanton, it better be for Profar/Olt/ and two of Buckel/Grimm/Martin with us throwing in Nolasco. I wouldn't even be happy with the trade because I don't see us drafting or trading for another guy like Stanton within the next twenty years at least, but it's at least a good enough return that we as fans can look forward towards a better team in the future.

[Wild Card]

If we do for some reason trade Stanton, it better be for Profar/Olt/ and two of Buckel/Grimm/Martin with us throwing in Nolasco. I wouldn't even be happy with the trade because I don't see us drafting or trading for another guy like Stanton within the next twenty years at least, but it's at least a good enough return that we as fans can look forward towards a better team in the future.

Agrees entirely. Getting rid of Stanton would be painful enough, if you DO move him you better rape someone.

[Erick]

 

 

I recently wrote this on the fangraphs article about who the Angels should trade, but I'll say it here too.

The Marlins are spending no money/likely won't be in position to spend next year either.

Considering the talent on the roster sucks, adding a guy like Bourjos (a real CF'er) would be cool. Nolasco for Bourjos straight up probably doesn't get it done. 

Thus, I think we should take on Vernon Wells contract as though we'd be taking on an expiring contract in the NBA. 
Difference between Nolasco/Wells contracts in '13 is 10 million. 
Wells, I believe, is under contract in '14, but who cares? We'll probably suck then, too.

After '14, he leaves when we're probably ready to compete again. 
Most importantly, it gives us leverage to add a talented CF'er in Bourjos. Nolasco leaves, opening up an opportunity for a younger pitcher. 

If free agents are reluctant to sign, we need to trade for talent. Taking on Wells contract should be no problem here considering how cheap the rest of the team is going to be. 
Especially if they don't extend Stanton, the team becomes even cheaper/cost-controlled. 
Take on a bad contract from some team and get some better talent without having to give much in return.

 

 

I'm sorry, but this is incredibly dumb in my opinion.  Like one of the worst ideas I've ever heard dumb.

 

Why would the Marlins want to take on all of that salary when they aren't going to be competing?  I mean, what's the point of paying for Vernon Wells far above his market value when they just got rid of a bunch of contracts?

 

And you think that taking on Vernon Wells' contract would be worth it just so they can get Bourjos?  Let's not kid ourselves.  Bourjos has some potential and I'd like to have him but while the glove is there, the bat isn't.  That's not even close to being worth taking on that much payroll.

 

 

Bourjos is a 3-4 win player with consistent playing time in CF.

 

I'm having the same discussion on another board and don't really feel like having the same argument on two boards so if you want the link to the other board, I'll PM it to you. Perhaps it wouldn't be so ridiculous with an explanation. 

[Anonymous]

If we do for some reason trade Stanton, it better be for Profar/Olt/ and two of Buckel/Grimm/Martin with us throwing in Nolasco. I wouldn't even be happy with the trade because I don't see us drafting or trading for another guy like Stanton within the next twenty years at least, but it's at least a good enough return that we as fans can look forward towards a better team in the future.

 

Not two of Buckel/Grimm/Martin, all 3 of them.

[Erick]

If he's traded to Texas, they better get both Profar and Olt. They could decide on who the other five players are going to be, but Profar/Olt better be coming back.