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[Erick]

http://miami.marlins...ws_mia&c_id=mia

 

I feel like the 2006 lineup was better, but I suppose it's something to look forward to. The two World Series seasons aside, 2006 was the most fun I've had as a Marlins fan. They only won 78 games, but considering they were supposed to suck/how they started 11-31, it ended up being a fun, exciting year. 

[Larry]

Basically what I said in my mass email last week.  I really believe it will be a lot like 2006 and it's good to see it being said by Frisaro as well.

[Dr Beinfest]

The competition and true availibility of having a starting position is what makes these youngsters blossom. You can say that 2006 was better, but it's a lot of hindsight. 

[Erick]

What I meant by my comment was that the 2006 lineup had more upside even before the year began, in hindsight. 

 

With that said, the 2013 version is probably better defensively. The pitching staff could probably put up those #'s as the potential is very similar in hindsight. Our bullpen is also better in 2013; for what it's worth, the bullpen that year blew a bunch of games (at least from what I remember) at the beginning of the year, hence the terrible start. Once they settled into their respective roles with Borowski closing, etc., that team was fun to watch. Cishek is definitely better than whatever we had in the pen that year. Matt Herges was the setup guy that year, and he's easily one of my least favorite Marlins of all-time. 

[Dr Beinfest]

I dunno Heath Bell is up there. Mark Hendrickson. Andrew Miller. Jorge Julio.... come on!

[Erick]

That team won 78 games and the high-leverage relievers on the team were:

 

Joe Borowski: 1.38 WHIP, 4.82 xFIP
Taylor Tankersley: 1.44 WHIP, 4.25 xFIP

Matt Herges: 1.71 (!) WHIP, 5.03 xFIP

 

Those guys make Ryan Webb look like an All-Star. 

[Erick]

The team also had guys like Randy Messenger and Logan Kensing pitch significant innings out of the pen that year, both of whom were attrocious, as well. 

 

That team would have been in serious contention for the wildcard late into September that year if not for the bullpen. 

[Larry]

That team had a winning record at home too, with the lowest payroll in MLB.

 

Oh yeah, they also didn't have a disastrous June for a change.  18-7 in June!

[Larry]

Slogan this year should've been "Party Like it's 2006".  You all missed the boat.

[gizmo]

Whatever happened to Tank?

[yokofox33]

Whatever happened to Tank?

 

He tanked.

[mrchainsaw]

Whatever happened to Tank?

Spent all of 2011 in Mets AAA, sucked, and I can't find anything about him from 2012 on.

 

Also, there is apparently a college basketball prospect with the same name. And no, it's not our tank.

[BenderRobot]

Reggie Abercrombie was our opening day center fielder that year.

Ah, Reggie Abercrombie. Your 500 foot homer in Cincinnati lives on in memory.

And is probably the only thing you cling on to at this point.

 

 

And don't forget, the 2006 team had Renyel Pinto. If we don't have a Renyel Pinto this year, that's worth, like ... eleventy wins!

[Dr Beinfest]

Ah, Renyel Pinto. The master of not dealing with other people's problems. 

[Hotcorner]

that's a pretty nice comparison actually.  '06 had a young Hanley & Cabrera, '13 has a young Stanton and a top prospect on the way in Yelich.  '13 trying to build that same kind of young talented rotation.

 

Man that core of Cabrera, Hanley, Hermida, Willingham, Uggla.   for a while that sure looked awfully promising.

 

 

 

 

 

also the Mariners just signed Mike Jacobs.

[Dr Beinfest]

Man that core of Cabrera, Hanley, Hermida, Willingham, Uggla.   for a while that sure looked awfully promising.

 

Buy me that Core 2 Duo. 

[el penguino]

People who think that the 2013 team will be like 2006 probably don't grasp how much better the talent was in recovering from the 2005 firesale.  The Marlins also had more minor talent in their system ready to contribute in 2006--Yelich and Ferndandez aren't ready yet.

 

The offense in 2006 was way better than what the 2013 team's will be.  There was simply much better talent there in 2006.  The 2012 Marlins had a team OPS of .690--where are the offensive upgrades?  It's hard for me to really expect a net gain in offensive performance even after shedding guys like Buck, Gaby, and Lee.  Perhaps the best hope is that Morrison breaks out or Stanton plays more than 150 games.  Or Ruggiano doesn't regress too much.  Guys like Pierre, Hechavarria, Solano, and Polanco aren't going to contribute much offense.

 

The Marlins ended up having one of the lowest starters ERAs in the NL in 2006.  Turner is probably the only 2013 starter I'd expect a sub-4.00 ERA from.

[Dr Beinfest]

I'm neglecting pitching here. I'm more just talking about the lineup. 

[el penguino]

I just read the article.  Frisaro says this:

 

 

 

Nolasco projects to be the ace of Miami's '13 squad.

 

I mean, how is the 2013 rotation supposed to mirror 2006's if that's the case?  I suspect that a couple of the starters will outperform Nolasco, but that's not really the point.

[Dr Beinfest]

Yeah I'd call him the #1 by default of being the major league pitcher on the roster but 'ace' doesn't cut it lol. Plus, he'll definitely be outperformed unless he outperforms himself. 

[gizmo]

By the end of the year, Turner will be the ace. I'm not saying he's gonna be Cliff Lee but he's going to be our best pitcher, not factoring  in Fernandez or a FA

[Rabbethan]

What I meant by my comment was that the 2006 lineup had more upside even before the year began, in hindsight. 

 

With that said, the 2013 version is probably better defensively. The pitching staff could probably put up those #'s as the potential is very similar in hindsight. Our bullpen is also better in 2013; for what it's worth, the bullpen that year blew a bunch of games (at least from what I remember) at the beginning of the year, hence the terrible start. Once they settled into their respective roles with Borowski closing, etc., that team was fun to watch. Cishek is definitely better than whatever we had in the pen that year. Matt Herges was the setup guy that year, and he's easily one of my least favorite Marlins of all-time. 

We should be friends.

[Dr Beinfest]

Erick doesn't befriend, he only associates. 

 

Strictly business. 

[Rabbethan]

Reggie Abercrombie was our opening day center fielder that year.

Ah, Reggie Abercrombie. Your 500 foot homer in Cincinnati lives on in memory.

And is probably the only thing you cling on to at this point.

 

 

And don't forget, the 2006 team had Renyel Pinto. If we don't have a Renyel Pinto this year, that's worth, like ... eleventy wins!

Eric Reed (he was really fast) was the OD starter that year.

 

EDIT: And Pinto had a 3.03 ERA that year. He only gave up runs in 5 of his 27 apperances. 2 of them were in wins and the other 3 were loses before he went into the game. He had 1 save, 3 holds, 0 blown saves, and 0 loses.

[gizmo]

Reggie Abercrombie was our opening day center fielder that year.

Ah, Reggie Abercrombie. Your 500 foot homer in Cincinnati lives on in memory.

And is probably the only thing you cling on to at this point.

 

 

And don't forget, the 2006 team had Renyel Pinto. If we don't have a Renyel Pinto this year, that's worth, like ... eleventy wins!

Eric Reed (he was really fast) was the OD starter that year.

 

EDIT: And Pinto had a 3.03 ERA that year. He only gave up runs in 5 of his 27 apperances. 2 of them were in wins and the other 3 were loses before he went into the game. He had 1 save, 3 holds, 0 blown saves, and 0 loses.

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