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[Backin2008]

The Marlins have a brand new stadium and major league baseball went out on a limb to help them get it.  There is no way they should get a dime in revenue sharing just because the owner decides to slash the payroll.  Revenue sharing money was never meant to line the pockets of the owners, it was meant to go back into the payroll or at the very least into the minor league system. 

[squall]

Rules are rules.

[Backin2008]

The Marlins get rich by not even trying to win.  Great.

[Piazza31]

Please Backin2008,
We need more threads of you pontificating upon your SoapBox.

Tell us how this was Lorias plan all along, or how West Palm should have had the chance to support the team for 20 years.

Please, teach the blinded masses!

[Backin2008]

I don't know if this was Loria's plan all along, only he and his little troll buddy David Samson know that.  He used to want to win a championship.....now I think he just wants to make boatloads of money.  Which he will....even if the team is only putting 10,000 people a night into his awesome new stadium.

[EricWiener]

They might not qualify with the new TV deal

[pollyvonwog]

"only he and his little troll buddy David Samson know that"

 

His troll buddy is currently in the Loria doghouse FYI 

[BroncoBob27]

Please Backin2008,
We need more threads of you pontificating upon your SoapBox.

Tell us how this was Lorias plan all along, or how West Palm should have had the chance to support the team for 20 years.

Please, teach the blinded masses!

LOL  I don't think this poster is from WPB.  Most likely another of those chest beaters from last off season telling everyone how Dade was going to show everyone how to attend games.

 

But maybe not.  Too negative an attitude at all times.

[Backin2008]

Nope, Don't live in either of those places.  I'm just sick of all of the baiting and switching.  The Marlins are the first team in major league history to have a major firesale right after moving into a new stadium.  I wouldn't have had a problem with the Marlins making a deal like they did with the Blue Jays, if they re-invested the money they saved in more free agents.  They could have just cited that they didn't think they could win with Reyes, Buehrle, Johnson and Buck.....and rebuild on the run.  It's hard to be a loyal fan of a team that does this kind of stuff year after year.

[SilverBullet1929]

Fire sale, fire schmale... I hate the trade and the rebuilding too but from a business sense its not insane. We've sucked for two years straight and we got a crop of top prospects from Toronto. Emotionally it sucks. From a business sense, Loria can make a valid argument that this is intended to give us a better future. The Marlins aren't the first team to sell off players and go into a rebuilding mode. Its totally time to get over it. Theyre still a major league team, nothing is gonna change that.

[Backin2008]

Fire sale, fire schmale... I hate the trade and the rebuilding too but from a business sense its not insane. We've sucked for two years straight and we got a crop of top prospects from Toronto. Emotionally it sucks. From a business sense, Loria can make a valid argument that this is intended to give us a better future. The Marlins aren't the first team to sell off players and go into a rebuilding mode. Its totally time to get over it. Theyre still a major league team, nothing is gonna change that.

 I have to disagree with you on one point Silver Bullet.  The Marlins are absolutely the first team in major league history to have a gigantic fire sale in their second year in a brand new stadium.  There is no excuse for that.....period.  Especially when the ownership was stating that a new stadium would help them compete and hike the payroll. 

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There is no excuse for that

 

Of course there is. Not that they need one.

 

They lost 15-20 mill last year. Obviously, the '12 payroll of 102 mill (enabled by the stadium, as they said it would be) had to fall by 15+ mill, just for starters.

 

Plus, say, 5 mill to begin to try to recoup the '12 loss. Plus maybe 20 mill to reflect the lower 2nd-year expected stadium revenue for '13. That's 40+, so you're looking at payroll going from 102 to about 60.

 

In '13 we owe 8.5 mill to TOR for Reyes, etc., 4 mill to AZI for Bell and 2.5 mill to Ozzie -- that's 15 mill before you pay any current player. That takes the '13 budget for current payroll down to about 45 mill, which looks like about where it will be, give or take a few mill.

 

That's not an excuse -- it's just financial reality.

 

They paid a lot of money to a group of guys who looked great on paper. It didn't work. Back-loaded contracts are a financial sink-hole if you lose and worse, lose money doing it right out of the chute.

 

Reality called for drastic action -- losing 20 mill in any year is bad enough, never mind then continuing down a path of rapidly growing losses. Loria may be many things, but crazy ain't one of them.

[squall]

He is crazy for not having sold the naming rights and additional advertising space in the park. The loss last year could have been halved at least. The effort of 3 months and then giving up and fielding a minor league team for a big chunk of the season added to the loss.

Moves needed to be made, but IMO they didn't make the right ones. I have no sympathy for a business owner the lacks vision and self-control.

[SilverBullet1929]

Fire sale, fire schmale... I hate the trade and the rebuilding too but from a business sense its not insane. We've sucked for two years straight and we got a crop of top prospects from Toronto. Emotionally it sucks. From a business sense, Loria can make a valid argument that this is intended to give us a better future. The Marlins aren't the first team to sell off players and go into a rebuilding mode. Its totally time to get over it. Theyre still a major league team, nothing is gonna change that.

 I have to disagree with you on one point Silver Bullet.  The Marlins are absolutely the first team in major league history to have a gigantic fire sale in their second year in a brand new stadium.  There is no excuse for that.....period.  Especially when the ownership was stating that a new stadium would help them compete and hike the payroll. 

From an emotional fan's perspective I can't disagree with you. But my point is, from a business sense, its not a fire sale and its not something Loria can't defend. I don't agree with it either, it sucks huge. I'm just saying that the Marlins get a bad rap for anything negative they do. I read something yesterday about the Brewers having to drastically scale back payroll in 2013 because they play in a small market... you can argue that the Marlins are doing something similar by cutting back payroll because their revenue doesn't meet payroll, etc. How about the D'Backs blatantly shopping their star player every offseason? How come Arizona fans dont call for that ownership's heads?

 

I feel like Huizenga put us six feet under here. No matter what negative moves the Marlins make, people call it a fire sale or the Marlins being cheap and so on. And while some of it IS appropriate, its almost not fair to the current and future front offices that its like they're not allowed to make any moves that move players or reduce payroll or whatever it may be.

 

I'm poking fun here but if the Marlins had a $100 million payroll one year and cut back to $97 million, I'd almost bet a whole bunch of people would say theyre being cheap and so on.

[Panthino]

Fire sale, fire schmale... I hate the trade and the rebuilding too but from a business sense its not insane. We've sucked for two years straight and we got a crop of top prospects from Toronto. Emotionally it sucks. From a business sense, Loria can make a valid argument that this is intended to give us a better future. The Marlins aren't the first team to sell off players and go into a rebuilding mode. Its totally time to get over it. Theyre still a major league team, nothing is gonna change that.

 

You should change your name from SilverBullet to SilverLining. I guess there is a silver lining to this catastrophe afterall. Kudos.