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[Retro_Marlins]

Who should of been signed or not.

[floridafly]

[SilverBullet1929]

I'd have kept it the same. I was a proud fan a year ago, I can see what was probably the mistakes in hindsight but a year ago I thought the moves were good enough. I don't believe in changing the past even when things don't work out. Nothing last year screamed "bad idea" enough to say I'd have not taken the gamble.

 

If we smell like smoke its cuz we've been through fire, the risks are worth taking.

[Piazza31]

I would have made it a point to sign Pujols, Reyes and Bell. Yes Bell was a bust but he had a 3 year deal. I would have given up what I needed for Gonzalez and signed him like the Nationals did rather than sign Buerhle.

 

If they would have traded Pujols this off-season after he signed that contract and left the Cardinals, I truly believe Selig would have tried to take control of the Marlins "in the best interests of baseball" since it would have been clear Loria insinuated to Pujols that he will never have been traded.

 

I also think Pujols and Reyes would have kept the team in check, such as Bell's BS in May.

Bells signing, I wouldn't change. It signified a change in Front Office philosophy which on it's face was good. In hindsight, he wasn't the right one for that change. Papelbon, or Madson would have been a better option.

[BenderRobot]

Yeah, Madson who missed the entire year ... That would have worked out better than Bell.
Seriously, it would have.

[poptart]

+ Cespedes - Bell

[yokofox33]

Everything looks better in hindsight. I don't have a problem with any of the players we signed, but it's obvious we seriously overpaid both in money and years for Buerhle and Bell. No one expected the complete meltdown of Bell. I liked the Reyes signing a lot.

 

And obviously it would have been amazing if we went after Gio, but I don't think we had enough pieces at the time. The best we could have done without giving up the farm would have been LoMo. Bleh...

[Piazza31]

Yeah, Madson who missed the entire year ... That would have worked out better than Bell.
Seriously, it would have.

Would he have gotten injured with the marlins?

I'm not sure when he got hurt, but I believe it was at spring training.

And with hindsight being what it is, he signed a one year deal- and still had a Better year injured than Bell did .

I blame Bell for the demolition, not Loria. Bell gave Loria the gun and Loria just pulled the trigger.

[BenderRobot]

If memory serves right, he was injured just before ST.

[Dr Beinfest]

Seriously, what's up with the flux of bad and poorly grammatical topics? 

 

And yes, I believe Madson was injured before ST started. I had all the great RPs ready for fantasy and they all got injured. 

 

I wouldn't have signed Heath Bell, that's for damn sure. Would've gotten Cespedes, too. 

[Retro_Marlins]

I wouldnt have signed bell and buerhle.even when they first signed I thought we could have gotten better players with that much money.

[el penguino]

The problem is that the Marlins overrated their existing core drastically when they entered the 2011-2012 offseason.

 

They didn't seem to acknowledge that Gaby might suck offensively for his position (atrocious second half in 2011), Hanley was regressing even outside of his injuries, Morrison wasn't ready to bust out offensively, Bonifacio is a sub-.700 hitter and shouldn't start, Johnson was likely to fall from ace status after his shoulder injury.

 

I'd like to think that they knew that Buck and Nolasco suck, but who knows.

 

Remember that this core was atrocious in 2011.  I don't think that there was any reasonable amount of moves (money considered) that the Marlins could have made to field a legit contender in 2012.  I didn't expect the Marlins to make the playoffs in 2012 and I'm not quite surprised that they sucked as much as they did.

 

They should have toned down the spending spree and made a couple of moves (Reyes maybe and some smaller signings).  Cespedes would have been great but they made a legit offer for him in the end.  It was foolish to overpay for Buehrle and then go out and spend a ton of cash on Heath Bell.

[Anonymous]

I would have signed Reyes and Buehrle but not Bell. They should have continued to go cheap with the bullpen.

[Dr Beinfest]

I'm just glad Heath Bell didn't go to Toronto. 

 

I like knowing the fact that nobody likes him at all, and that he was a negative in terms of value in a trade. 

 

Unlikable putz. 

[EricWiener]

Reyes, Cespedes, Papelbon (then would have made the Bell mistake when I didn't get him) and I would have traded Sanchez and played Logan at 1B. I would have made the Zambrano trade,  I would have been more aggressive on Gio.

I would not have resigned Infante and used Bonifacio at 2nd instead. I would have allowed Coghlan to fail in LF and then acquire somebody during the year.

[BenderRobot]

Outside of Yelich and Fernandez (and Stanton), who did we have to trade for Gio, really? I would have loved Gio, yeah, but being realistic, we didn't have expendable pieces to get him.

Anyways ... Signed everyone. O_O Morrison stays in left, Cespedes in center, Stanton in right, Pujols at third, Reyes short, Fielder first, Hanley second ... Yeah. Woo!

[el penguino]

Trading for Gio wasn't realistic.

 

I'm also surprised that some people here would have wanted to shell out over $50 million for a closer, despite there being a ton of more important holes to fill.

[Henry Jones]

I wouldn't have hired Ozzie. It's hard to argue with other people without hindsight. Probably Cespedes. There is getting Pujols, and while I would've taken him if the whole winter meetings wasn't a sham to run up the price (Not saying it was or wasn't. Just IF it wasn't), but there would've been the specter of an Alex Rodriguez situation late on down the road, and I think Cespedes would've been the best balance between a gamble and possible results. 

 

But Ozzie I knew wasn't the right choice. Even when everyone around me was saying it was a good hire, I looked at the couple of White Sox fans I knew who acted like their long, national nightmare was over when it was rumored Guillen was going to Miami. This was their manager who had given a World Series to a franchise that had a dark cloud over it since the Black Sox scandal. If he had done this for the Cubs, he'd be worshipped as a god and there would've been a Ditka vs. Guillen debate. Maybe that's a sign of differences between Cubs and White Sox fans, but that alone set off alarm bells. I don't know who you get instead because obviously, Bobby Valentine's Red Sox career went just as well, but he wouldn't have made any comments that be be construed as pro-Castro and sabotaged a lot of groundwork right out of the gate. Granted, the media overreacted on a comment that was most likely poorly communicated, but the damage WAS done....

[canada-marlin24]

i would have signed cespedes and traded gaby sanchez. 

 

i also would have maybe signed bell but not exactly sure there. probably would have. 

 

also might have put boni on the bench and signed 1 of kubel, willingham, or beltran. 

[TheUFO]

Hindsight is everything when it comes to Bell.  I was so excited when we signed him.  I thought he would be a good clubhouse guy

[el penguino]

Hindsight is everything when it comes to Bell.  I was so excited when we signed him.  I thought he would be a good clubhouse guy

I think there were some people who knew immediately at the time that spending that much money on an aging closer wasn't a wise investment.

[squall]

Hindsight is everything when it comes to Bell.  I was so excited when we signed him.  I thought he would be a good clubhouse guy
I think there were some people who knew immediately at the time that spending that much money on an aging closer wasn't a wise investment.

Yes, but they didn't predict how terrible he was going to be. I didn't want that much money spent on a closer. Outside of Bell I was OK with the signings.

[Dr Beinfest]

I believe Erick had made a point about his home splits at the time of the signing, as well. It was a recipe for disaster. 

[Undakai]

I recall a few people thinking Bell was a bad move, and seem to specifically recall one member on here pointing out his regression in the previous year. I personally didn't like the move (not a fan of expensive relief pitchers) and thout that money could have been better spent elsewhere, but I didn't predict it blowing up as spectacularly as it did.

[el penguino]

Hindsight is everything when it comes to Bell.  I was so excited when we signed him.  I thought he would be a good clubhouse guy
I think there were some people who knew immediately at the time that spending that much money on an aging closer wasn't a wise investment.

Yes, but they didn't predict how terrible he was going to be. I didn't want that much money spent on a closer. Outside of Bell I was OK with the signings.

You are correct in saying that nobody predicting Bell to be a total piece of s***, but I don't think that's what we are talking about here.