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[Wild Card]

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned:

 

Lohse's best strategy 

February, 27, 2013

FEB 27

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By Jason Catania | ESPN.com

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As clubs continue to claim they have no interest, right-hander Kyle Lohse remains a free agent. Spring training games already have begun, so time is running short on Lohse to be ready to go by the start of the 2013 season, especially for a new team. 

Most recently, the New York Yankees said they aren't interested, even after Phil Hughescame down with a back injury, and the Texas Rangers reiterated their lack of interest, too. 

Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post writes that he doesn't expect the Colorado Rockies to be an option, either, despite their ongoing search for starting pitching, while Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported that the Brewers aren't discussing Lohse with agent Scott Boras. FoxSports.com's Jon Morosi tweeted recently that thePittsburgh Pirates are another team in the same boat. 

Where Lohse lands is still very much up in the air, and it could come down to which contender suffers the first injury to its rotation. At this stage, the waiting game may be Lohse's best option, as he may need a club to get desperate in order to get anything more than a below-market one-year deal. The draft-pick compensation clearly is a factor, and from Lohse's perspective so is the chance to reestablish value if he does settle on a one-year pact. 

One outside-the-box idea may be the Miami Marlins, who own a protected first-round pick (since it's in the Top 10) and may feel some pressure to spend a little money after their fire sale earlier this offseason. This type of strategy could lead to the signing team basically purchasing a solid pitcher who would almost definitely have value on the trade market during the summer, especially once injuries and performance issues come into play.

 

I love the idea of adding a veteran like Lohse, certainly adds some experienced depth at the least.

[SilverBullet1929]

If we don't lose a pick, I'm down. I can see this working for all parties. And it'd be somewhat ironic as he handed us our Opening Day loss last year, which set in motion the disaster of 2012. It'd be funny to see him on our side of the field this Opening Day.

[MrMarlinPride]

I agree, I'd love to have him aboard as long as we don't lose a first rounder.

[Piazza31]

We would lose a second rounder if I am thinking right....

 

Which has always been our best pick of the draft .

 

[Dr Beinfest]

I thought this was something more than speculation for 'pressure to spend more money.;

 

There's no pressure. The contents once under pressure have long since exploded and outgassed like a big fart in your face from Jeffrey Loria. 

[gizmo]

If we don't lose a pick, then go for it. We can always flip him at the deadline. 

[BenderRobot]

For like 3 prospects n stuff.

[Spike]

Unless he flips back into the Kyle Lohse of pre-2011. He would have about as much trade value as Ricky Nolasco at that point.

[Wild Card]

Unless he flips back into the Kyle Lohse of pre-2011. He would have about as much trade value as Ricky Nolasco at that point.

 

Who still has some trade value, according to every media outlet in the country except mb.com members.

[Piazza31]

Sign and trade:

Lohse signs in Miami, loses 2nd round pick.

Miami trades him to Angels, gets Peter Bourjos and a single A pitching prospect.

Miami is cursed at while the Indians considered the same thing in December.


Side note: I feel bad for Lohse, compensation is killing him.

[Spike]

Compensation combined with the fact that he is 34 and spent most of his 12 year career being very mediocre.

[CYmarlins]

Sign and trade:

Lohse signs in Miami, loses 2nd round pick.

Miami trades him to Angels, gets Peter Bourjos and a single A pitching prospect.

Miami is cursed at while the Indians considered the same thing in December.


Side note: I feel bad for Lohse, compensation is killing him.

Interesting trade scenario. Sounds good.

[Jokersgoon]

Can you do sign and trades in baseball?

[Piazza31]

Can you do sign and trades in baseball?

Yes, and no. I don't think baseball will get mad at circumventing the rules at this type of transaction because it actually helps the player.

But once it's a sign and trade that is blatantly against the players best interest they will probably do something.

I think sign and trades are Frowned upon, but not illegal in other words.

[Dr Beinfest]

Lohse relies on destroying the Marlins to bring his ERA down. It wont work...

[CanesCop86]

All the sports guys were thinking a sign and trade between Cleveland and Mets for Bourne so it wouldn't be to outlandish by the sound of it.

[Piazza31]

All the sports guys were thinking a sign and trade between Cleveland and Mets for Bourne so it wouldn't be to outlandish by the sound of it.

Yeah, but its the Marlins.

We all know Passan and Law would be all over them for trading another star, even if the star only signed to be traded.

[mystikol87]

So, spend money and give up a 2nd round pick, hoping that a guy who isn't very good will turn into a good prospect at the deadline?  Sounds like it's not worth it.

[FutureGM]

If we don't lose a pick, then go for it. We can always flip him at the deadline. 

It would cost us a pick, just not the protected one. It means we give StL a 2nd rounder

[Piazza31]

And we hopefully trade Lohse for something that has a more guaranteed chance of contributing sooner than a second round draft pick would.

Not all picks pan out, but if you can swap Lohse for Bourjos it's a win I think.

[Erick]

Why would the Angels do that?

 

If they really wanted Kyle Lohse that badly, they could just sign him, themselves...

[el penguino]

Yeah, it makes absolutely no sense to me, either.

[BenderRobot]

Cause they'd lose their first pick and they don't seem to want to.

[el penguino]

Cause they'd lose their first pick and they don't seem to want to.

Who says?

 

It's more likely that the Angels just don't want to spend the money.  It'd also be dumb for the Marlins to pay Lohse's salary in a trade scenario.

[Erick]

Cause they'd lose their first pick and they don't seem to want to.

 

Is this even a rumor?